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Brewlar Kuvakei
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Posted - 2012.07.10 00:47:00 -
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Eve software is not free and is payed for monthly via 30 day subs aka plex and yes the new law does give you legal power to sell them. Since this law has passed I have now put all my chars isk into buying eve online subscriptions via ISK in game and removing the plex and turning into ''30 day eve subscriptions'' as the EU now protects my right to sell these for cash. I do hope CCP and eve survive this transition.
It must be stressed that if CCP fails to acknowledge that users are now legally able to sell subscriptions and licences or just simply lives in denial then 100% this will be the end of CCP and eve online under its current operators and trading practices.
CCP get your sh!t together and prepare yourself for subscription and licence trading or be fined into oblivian by the EU for refusing to allow us to trade subs which is now a legal right.
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Brewlar Kuvakei
Adeptio Gloriae
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Posted - 2012.07.10 01:04:00 -
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I've always wondered if CCP was trading in PLEX I guess we are about to find out. Plex is now worth <500M isk or 15 dollars real money. I expect to see plex rocket in ISK value as players look forward to trading it for real dollars on such sites as ebay knowing that the EU has made this practise 100% legal. Any effort from CCP to ban accounts will be seen as an effort to thwart this new legal right to softwae licence, subscription ownership and the right to sell.
It's not just CCP that is in this very dangerous bind, sites such as steam are in for a long ride too. On that note steam has actually bought back several of my games after refusing to allow me to trade them.
CCP I hope you are ready as EVE is a good game.
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Brewlar Kuvakei
Adeptio Gloriae
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Posted - 2012.07.10 01:15:00 -
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Corina Jarr wrote:Brewlar Kuvakei wrote:I've always wondered if CCP was trading in PLEX I guess we are about to find out. Plex is now worth <500M isk or 15 dollars real money. I expect to see plex rocket in ISK value as players look forward to trading it for real dollars on such sites as ebay knowing that the EU has made this practise 100% legal. Any effort from CCP to ban accounts will be seen as an effort to thwart this new legal right to softwae licence, subscription ownership and the right to sell.
It's not just CCP that is in this very dangerous bind, sites such as steam are in for a long ride too. On that note steam has actually bought back several of my games after refusing to allow me to trade them.
CCP I hope you are ready as EVE is a good game. Wrong. The EU ruling only effects software that you pay for. Find me a single piece of software from CCP that you must pay for. I'll help you out. You can't. Its free. You pay to use their server. Its renting, not buying. The EU ruling does not cover this.
I downloaded microsoft 7 before I paid for it? Your Point?
I downloaded my CAD and CAM software before I paid for it your point?
I downloaded my anti virus software and run it for 14 days before paying for it, your point?
I downloaded and played eve for 14 days before I paid for it your point?
I have several 30 day eve licences and I won't be banned as I have not sold them yet. Although the EU law says I am 100% allowed to sell my licence I will wait for CCP clarification on my right to sell. If they decide to flout EU law I will open a complaint.
I however think CCP will be smart acknowledge the new law and adept and survive even if this means a complete overhaul of the EVE ecconemny.
CCP has adepted to the republic of china's regulations with eve serenity, eve tranqulity will be no different adapting to the EU's laws.
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Brewlar Kuvakei
Adeptio Gloriae
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Posted - 2012.07.10 01:17:00 -
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Mallak Azaria wrote:Corina Jarr wrote:Brewlar Kuvakei wrote:I've always wondered if CCP was trading in PLEX I guess we are about to find out. Plex is now worth <500M isk or 15 dollars real money. I expect to see plex rocket in ISK value as players look forward to trading it for real dollars on such sites as ebay knowing that the EU has made this practise 100% legal. Any effort from CCP to ban accounts will be seen as an effort to thwart this new legal right to softwae licence, subscription ownership and the right to sell.
It's not just CCP that is in this very dangerous bind, sites such as steam are in for a long ride too. On that note steam has actually bought back several of my games after refusing to allow me to trade them.
CCP I hope you are ready as EVE is a good game. Wrong. The EU ruling only effects software that you pay for. Find me a single piece of software from CCP that you must pay for. I'll help you out. You can't. Its free. You pay to use their server. Its renting, not buying. The EU ruling does not cover this. Not to mention that Iceland isn't a part of the European Union & as such, isn't affected by this at all.
because the server is in iceland and CCP is not a EU registered company? Denial cool that'll see CCP through. Ignorance of the law is not an excuse.
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Brewlar Kuvakei
Adeptio Gloriae
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Posted - 2012.07.10 01:24:00 -
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Corina Jarr wrote:
1) trials don't count. Once the trial ends, the software is no longer fully functioning.
2) I doubt you downloaded W7 and it worked fully featured without paying for it... unless you did so illegally
3) the EVE client works 100% upon download. You can receive updates, set settings, and enter the user information. What you need to pay for is the ability to use the EVE server which is separate from the client. You never pay for the EVE software. You pay to access the server.
''The court also ruled that any patches, upgrades or server access made to the software through a service agreement also form part of the used software that can be sold on.
Next point please, server access is a right via the licence.
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Brewlar Kuvakei
Adeptio Gloriae
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Posted - 2012.07.10 14:36:00 -
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PLEX can be redeemed from the game and if you look at your account it is added as 30 day eve subscription. The new EU rules have been created to stop software giants and a company like CCP from exploiting users, we should have the right to sell our game licences and subscriptions and for that reason I'm converting as much worthless ISK into 30 day game subs in the hope that I will one day be able to trade out with the permission of CCP.
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Brewlar Kuvakei
Adeptio Gloriae
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Posted - 2012.07.10 15:19:00 -
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Tippia wrote:Brewlar Kuvakei wrote:The new EU rules have been created to stop software giants and a company like CCP from exploiting users, No. The new rules have been created to stop software vendors to differentiate between physically and digitally distributed software. You are now free to sell your free game license to someone else. Good on you. Your service contract for accessing CCP's servers are not covered by this precedent. Your subscription and your account are not software licenses.
''The court also ruled that any patches, upgrades or server access made to the software through a service agreement also form part of the used software that can be sold on.''
30 day server licences can be sold. The eve 30 day is a licence to connect to the game server for 30 days.
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